tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post8602118715263469216..comments2023-11-03T08:40:03.424+00:00Comments on Jude Collins: Let's reconcile but don't forget we're BritishJude Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02255073034338282041noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post-71924830749155404642013-04-26T15:27:56.579+01:002013-04-26T15:27:56.579+01:00anon[1.06] re - Last para 'But isn't it od...anon[1.06] re - Last para 'But isn't it odd to tell nationalists....' I suppose they really mean by telling nationalists to only pursue their nationalism by constitutional methods, IF YOU MUST but for the unionists generally they subscribe to the 'croppies lies down' dictum. This is also seen in Orange marchers telling residents to stay in their houses while march passes so as not to be offended, knowing the drums will be thrashed louder to make sure offence is taken.[madraj55] Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post-34423140595162803112013-04-25T13:26:14.898+01:002013-04-25T13:26:14.898+01:00Ceannaire
I don't know if their intentions are...Ceannaire<br />I don't know if their intentions are going to match their words but the statement referred to is pretty clear :<br />"We welcome a process that facilitates the nationalist narrative and contributes to a wider understanding of the impact that conflict had on the nationalist community."<br />Sinn Fein are administering British rule in Stormont. Clearly they accept that under the terms of the GFA, until such times as a vote offers the opportunity for a constitutional change.<br />Neither you nor I can foresee, at the moment, a date for a referendum so the foreseeable future is indeed that NI is part of the UK.<br />In the meantime,if the PUP are genuine in their words about reconciliation then let us hold them to it.giordanobrunonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post-49137680526491560802013-04-25T01:14:07.706+01:002013-04-25T01:14:07.706+01:00giordanobruno24 April 2013 20:40:
1. Their statem...giordanobruno24 April 2013 20:40:<br /><br />1. Their statement does say something about wishing to facilitate the Nationalist narrative, which seems to me an acceptance that not everyone needs to accept the label of British.<br />2. They refer to the political reality that N Ireland is a part of the UK a situation which Sinn Fein has accepted should continue until the people choose otherwise.<br />3. As for the foreseeable future bit, well no referendum has even been agreed yet, so it seems factually accurate to me.<br /><br />1. So they accept the Irish dimension and its culture, in totality, just like the British dimension is?<br />2. You say SF has accepted the UK part - so why the need for this (pre) condition?<br />3. A week is a long time in politics - the foreseeable future is...well...we'll see.<br /><br />In saying that...a PUP/SF initiative is more likely to work (and yield results) than some of that rubbish in Stormont. And not for the first time have they resolved problems together more quickly than the middle class representatives.<br />Ceannairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07149039389402693365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post-6954699596191473262013-04-25T01:06:47.513+01:002013-04-25T01:06:47.513+01:00The PUP position seems to be that reconciliation r...The PUP position seems to be that reconciliation requires nationalists to stop pursuing a United Ireland, i.e. stop being nationalists.<br /><br />I see their logic: unionists wouldn't have the thorny problem of reconciliation with nationalists if there weren't nationalists.<br /><br />But isn't it odd to tell nationalists to stop pursuing a united Ireland using constitutional political methods, when that was the very thing Westminster & unionists told them to do since the Troubles erupted?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post-50758268224444155122013-04-24T21:49:51.253+01:002013-04-24T21:49:51.253+01:00You do seem to attract more than your fair share o...You do seem to attract more than your fair share of smart arse and just plain rude comments, Jude. <br /><br />Not sure why that is when other blogs with similarly strident views don't seem to as much.Dereknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post-63074738608042937902013-04-24T21:39:25.490+01:002013-04-24T21:39:25.490+01:00Sorry to have offended you by commenting on your b...Sorry to have offended you by commenting on your blog,Jude.Most of the the wording I have used comes from that blog.I just thought that as you were formerly an academic,it might be a relevant point to make.I suppose not all academics live in ivory towers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post-47235236802291160682013-04-24T20:40:00.263+01:002013-04-24T20:40:00.263+01:00Jude
Their statement does say something about wish...Jude<br />Their statement does say something about wishing to facilitate the Nationalist narrative, which seems to me an acceptance that not everyone needs to accept the label of British.<br />They refer to the political reality that N Ireland is a part of the UK a situation which Sinn Fein has accepted should continue until the people choose otherwise.<br />As for the foreseeable future bit, well no referendum has even been agreed yet, so it seems factually accurate to me.<br /><br />giordanobrunonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post-34169647384871061312013-04-24T19:03:18.443+01:002013-04-24T19:03:18.443+01:00Anon 17:50 - Yes and no respectively. I am indee...Anon 17:50 - Yes and no respectively. I am indeed a member of the middle class (God help me) but no, I don't think I have an insulated view of 'what was happening', if by 'what was happening' you're referring to the period of conflict. I certainly had an insulated view for a number of years which mercifully I eventually got past. But my life generally, like most middle class people here, wasn't affected in anything remotely like the way the lives of many working class people were. And while I sometimes enjoy (and more to the point, have time ) answering queries like yours, please don't expect an answer to every question. I figure a near-daily blog is a reasonably full statement of my views on a topic, without adding to it again and again in discussion. I hope that doesn't offend you - I do genuinely find the views of readers of my blog interesting - even and maybe especially when they differ from my own. We all can learn if we try to be honest with ourselves as well as others.<br />Jude Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02255073034338282041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post-28095547093958393832013-04-24T17:50:57.080+01:002013-04-24T17:50:57.080+01:00Jude;would you describe yourself as a member of th...Jude;would you describe yourself as a member of the middle classes?If so,would you accept that you had an insulated view of what was happening?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post-88994364221405118612013-04-24T11:01:01.230+01:002013-04-24T11:01:01.230+01:00Anon 10:47 - thanks for your thoughts. I don'...Anon 10:47 - thanks for your thoughts. I don't agree re Kearney. I don't remember him saying that politics must not be part of the road to reconciliation - quite the reverse in fact. And I'm afraid I can't say whether he's being cuter, or whether I'm being cute, when I don't know what you mean by that word. I do know what 'stupid' means, however, and yes I am sometimes stupid or act stupidly. Not all the time but sometimes. What about you?Jude Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02255073034338282041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post-65766794599394462082013-04-24T10:47:55.935+01:002013-04-24T10:47:55.935+01:00Declan Kearney is exactly the same with his talk o...Declan Kearney is exactly the same with his talk of "national reconciliation" - he's just using cuter language.<br />Are you being cute, or just stupid, in failing to note that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com