tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post6527726125276578253..comments2023-11-03T08:40:03.424+00:00Comments on Jude Collins: Why 12 December won't mean much to the FinucanesJude Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02255073034338282041noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post-60656306914508004362012-12-02T03:36:16.503+00:002012-12-02T03:36:16.503+00:00Thanks folks for the replies.
If I may:
i) There...Thanks folks for the replies.<br /><br />If I may:<br /><br />i) There is a rather large difference from the assailants having been previously indited for a crime and serving time for the crime of murdering Pat Finucane. Going to court or being in the process of going to court is not the same, something I am sure you will all agree with.<br /><br />ii) Regarding Ann Travers, and I need to be very careful of what I say as this is a sensitive issue and often something in black and white may be misconstrued, come across as cold and lacking in empathy or lack the nuance that the spoken word has, is the main issue here not that someone who did time for a violent crime is now seen to be 'profiting' from a well paid publicly appointed role? This someone had served time too for her acts while Finucane was murdered as part of some government conspiracy? <br /><br />TBF, I do not see why ex-paramilitaries should be debarred from a publicly appointed role especially in light of the rather large monetary compensation packages that former RUC officers received when they were fired/made redundant/told they were part of the problem/use whatever you would like here and then subsequently reinstated in very lucrative contract roles, many the very next day. The RUC were an awful, disgusting bunch of people and have an awful legacy the world over including collusion with paramilitaries and accusations of occasionally running killings too.<br /><br />Now, we can call this 'whataboutery', have at it; OR the above can be used to show the inconsistencies in the positions of many when they leap on the Ann Travers bandwagon, usually for political gain as opposed to any kind of moral issue.<br /><br />Hence why I do not see this issue as being remotely the same as the Finucane one. The Finucanes are victims of collusion by the state in their father's murder. Traver's is the victim of a paramilitary organisation, of which the killer of her sister was a well paid political appointee and she thought that the appointee was profiteering from the murder of her sister. Now, she is calling for some former paramilitaries to come out and give names (entirely understandable to be brutally honest), however, if she were somewhat cleverer than she appears at present she would perhaps pay attention to what Barney Rowan et al have been up to over at Eamonn Mallie's blog and note that so long as there is no mechanism for everyone's truth to come out and be heard, she is merely playing politics. Now, she is a very reasonable person and articulate, but again, it is a form of playing politics. <br /><br />Have I missed something here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post-50999605187634184072012-11-29T20:27:31.589+00:002012-11-29T20:27:31.589+00:00Football cliches
"The Finucane family have no...Football cliches<br />"The Finucane family have not seen their killers do time"-----I understood that at least some of their killers had been convicted .The names Barrett and Stobie come to mind although the latter may have been killed before he stood trial.Presumably the Finucanes would like to unmask those who orchestrated the murder behind the scenes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post-88348045106833105872012-11-29T17:12:08.778+00:002012-11-29T17:12:08.778+00:00I agree with you regarding the Finucane case and I...I agree with you regarding the Finucane case and I hope they persist until they find the truth.<br />The point about Ann Travers is that other people were involved, more directly than Mary McArdle, in the murder (a tragic mistake I believe McArdle called it) of her sister. And those others have not been named tried or convicted.<br />So the 2 situations are indeed the same in that respect, and for Jude to suggest that she should move on is indicative of his double standards. Sadly.giordanobrunonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post-68544335266118068672012-11-29T02:56:50.856+00:002012-11-29T02:56:50.856+00:00It always astounds me when governments are short s...It always astounds me when governments are short sighted enough to palm someone off like this; does Cameron honestly think that this review, something massively short of an independent inquiry, will suffice for the Finucane family and its many supporters? I am certain we will eventually see a full inquiry, anything in the mean time is just stalling and money wasting on the government's part.<br /><br />Regarding Ann Travers and her own situation and how I believe this differs, again I am sorry for her loss (I genuinely am) and she is perfectly entitled to pursue whatever line she wishes, however, her situation is one where the killer of her sister has seen prison and done time for her actions, there can be no disputing it. The Finucane family have not seen the killers do time and it is apparent to many that the State had a massive involvement in his fate.<br /><br />Further, the State de facto investigating itself when it is one of the parties to the victim's murder is a farce of the highest order.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post-20958095088374507612012-11-27T18:08:55.130+00:002012-11-27T18:08:55.130+00:00As a nationalist, it doesn't matter to me what...As a nationalist, it doesn't matter to me what this report says, I won't accept anything less than a fully independent international inquiry, and even at that realise the Brits are unlikely to ever let that cat out the backAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5965333981619997978.post-78538946320011786012012-11-27T17:25:30.032+00:002012-11-27T17:25:30.032+00:00Jude
It is hard not to contrast your piece on Pat...Jude <br />It is hard not to contrast your piece on Pat Finucane's family with the recent one about Ann Travers<br />The former should refuse to be fobbed off but the latter should let go and move on?<br />Surely you are not being provocative?giordanobrunonoreply@blogger.com